Problem 280's with Dog jumping to long when fast

Submitted by Barbara Powell on Fri, 2007-03-02 10:23.

When I do box work with my dog, he does 280s, etc very nicely; however, when he has a full head of steam going, he jumps way to long causing a very wide 280, etc. Do you have any suggestions? Should I continue with the box work or just set up drills with a running start over jumps to the 280's or whatever turn I am trying to tighten up?

Acutally in Lesson 11, seg 1; it was the front cross between the double #3 and the #4 jump. He jumped way to long over the double.

Thanks, Barbara

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Re: Problem 280's with Dog jumping to long when fast

Submitted by Olga Chaiko on Mon, 2007-03-05 00:03.
Hi Barbara,

When you teach your dog a skill, like a 270 for instance, you should do it in a controlled situation until the dog understands the skill and learns to do it. Then add some speed. Like add a jump before your 270 turn. Then add two jumps. Then add a tunnel to your two jumps leading to the 270.. If the dog looks like he is making an effort, but can't make the turn at the increased speed, please go back to reduced speed and practice the skill again. Now, you also should keep in mind that hardly any "pretzels" your dog can do around the box will translate into the course work without the dog going wider.

It's hard for me to say without a video, but please look if he is making an effort on the turn and just can't do any better at this stage, or he is not listening, or you are not providing him with timely direction perhaps?

A spread jump (double) is an obstacle that requires more room to jump and clear. You should always take spreads into consideration when expecting the dog to turn. Please practice the f/x exercise from lesson 11 and Chip will start doing it better. Make sure you are not late to the f/x also.

Olga.

Re: Problem 280's with Dog jumping to long when fast

Submitted by Barbara Powell on Mon, 2007-03-05 07:55.

Hi Olga,

Thanks for the advise. 

I think Chip is trying but just jumps long when going fast. Doesn't seem to know how to turn when going fast until after landing long.  A Puli should be able to almost turn in place, but then he is not the typical Puli.  One of my agility instructors suggested that I should put up a barrier forcing him to jump tighter.  What do you think about that?  I figured he would only jump tight if the barrier was there and he didn't want to run into it and slowed down before taking off to jump, but maybe he would eventally learn to do it with out a barrier.

I was just practicing the first exercise in lesson 11 using his favorite toy (that he wanted badly) and he still goes wide unless I take away the tire and jump and just jump him over the double to the front cross to obstacle 4.  I guess, I need to go back and work on that separate and gradually add distance as you suggested above.  Also, I just started using your methods so maybe he is not fully comprehending my signals at full speed "or" more like I am not using your handling methods with consistency as yet.

 Thanks, Barbara

 

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Re: Problem 280's with Dog jumping to long when fast

Submitted by Olga Chaiko on Mon, 2007-03-05 23:35.
Hi Barbara,

You are very welcome.

You've got to have patience and keep on training Chip and improving your own handling and Chip will get it and will start rating himself on turns and front crosses. Just give him time and do as I suggested in my message above.

Please do not use any barriers or other extraneous obstructions when running your dog. It is not safe. I don't know if the dog will learn if you use a barrier like your friend suggested, since I would never subject a dog to such danger.

Olga.
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Re: Problem 280's with Dog jumping to long when fast

Submitted by addictedtolabs on Tue, 2007-03-06 09:30.

I have had several courses at Industry Hills where an.obstacle  is close to the mesh fencing. 10' to 15'  Maybe thats what they are talking about. There is so much to be aware of. Last session, my friend and I had to spend a lot of time repairing and anchoring down wings in the wind and he questioned why we couldn't just use the shorter wingless for all the jumps.  He also teased me about trying so hard to get the sequence just like it is on the map until we played around a little and it became obvious that changing the spacing and or angle just a bit changed the exercise. Its making me more aware of what to notice when walking a course, if that makes sense.

Cheers,

jean

 

Cheers,

jean

 

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Re: Problem 280's with Dog jumping to long when fast

Submitted by newfire on Tue, 2007-03-06 12:30.
One of the hardest things to teach my guys was to be able to jump towards the solid walls at the facility where we train.  It is also a skill required in some big competitions.    Many years ago I attended a seminar where the seminar presenter used baby gates very close (ie 3 -4 feet) from the jump which we were to approach at a decent clip.  It only took 1 time for my dog to lose confidence in what I was asking her to do.  I was soundly berated by the presenter for not insisting that my dog repeat the activity but I was not going to let the seminar lady pressure Shadow with a baby gate twice.  Luckily there was no lasting damage mental or otherwise, but I NEVER volunteer to go first working my dog with a stranger.  (Was the same person who advocated an adversive to fix shadow's table barking ....... the sensible dog simply avoided the table, however that was NOT the solution to the table barking!!!)  poor Shadow...... all my mistakes! .....................elizabeth
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Re: Problem 280's with Dog jumping to long when fast

Submitted by addictedtolabs on Tue, 2007-03-06 13:39.

Table barking, is that a no, no ? LOL. Kody's table command has always been " Go Table, Quiet". Then "sit" or "down". If, in the heat of the moment, I leave out "quiet" there is no sit or down.That is way he trained me.

Jean