Jaldi weave pole entries

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3-22-07 Weave pole entry training (Lesson 12). Set a timer for 2 minutes. Started at approx 7 o'clock (assuming the first pole is 12 o'clock) with Jaldi on my right about 3 ft from 1st pole. Throw frisbee as she exits poles. This is not THE toy, but she does like it and will chase. I want her to drive forward out of the poles. It seemed to work. She went staight to the frisbee and I gave a treat as I picked it up. We had a game of tug as we went back to the start. Worked around the clock to about 11 o'clock. No entry problems. Jaldi started to fade at the 5th rep (did not run right to the toy). The timer beeped just as I started the 6th rep. Two minutes might be too long.

I think she works faster for food, but I don't have any real data (like time). It's just my impression. During our weave pole training I have often had her work for dinner. I put a bowl at each end of the weave poles and I have another bowl with her food. After each successful performance, I plop some food in the bowl on the ground. Then we go back the other way.

Olga Chaiko's picture

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Val,

About the 2 minute session being too long.. You say you did 5 repetitions. I like to work in clusters of 3 repetitions and take a couple minutes break, then try for another 3 rep's..

Olga.
valeryt's picture

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Hi Olga,

I have cut back to 3 reps. Then we played, then 3 more reps. I am getting more enthusiasm from Jaldi. Yeah!

One difficulty we are having are entries where Jaldi is on my left. She doesn't "look" for the first pole and just enters wherever. It probably feels correct to her becasue no matter where she enters from that direction the "first" pole is on her left. If I turn my body the right direction she will find the first pole. I was thinking of putting a leash on her and just holding her back until she pays attention to where the first pole is. Do you think that will work? I'm concerned that the leash will get tangled in the poles once she enters. She's too short for a tab!

Val 

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Val

I have the same problem with PIppen.  I have to use the leash because a tab is way to short.  I use only 2 poles (because I am only doing entries and the leash dosent get stuck)  I would not practice if the grass was wet ie the leash might get wet and stick or catch.  I also might use a leash with the handle loop cut offto minimaize the risk of catching. ..elizabeth

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Val,

With the problem you have where Jaldi needs your "assistance" to find the start of the poles when she is on your left, you have uncovered a "hole" in Jaldi's weave pole training. Please work the "around the clock" exercise with 2 weavepoles only. And each position with you on left/right/behind/and any other irrelevant position to the dog. Entry skill is separate from the skill of weaving. It doesn't matter how well the dog weaves if she can't enter, ;-).. Please work on entries first.

Tab. I work all the dogs on a tab, even the smallest munchkins, like paps. It's a mechanical handler skill and needs to be aquired by you guys. Same as ball throwing and timely cookie delivery.

You know, sometimes I come across trainers who say, they won't use the clicker, because they can't seem to remember to bring it with them to the training session, or that hot dogs are slimy and make their hands smell, or that the doggie may bite their fingers if they treat him while training, or that the tennis ball is gross to touch, or that the tab is too short.. ;-).. Nothing ventured.. nothing gained.

Olga.
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OK..... after you have led your 'Pap" around the training field for an hour on a tab I will ask you

1- can you stand up??

2-do you need a chiropractor or will Naproxin suffice?

3- then I will follow with rhetorical questions such as why do handlers with small dogs bend over all the time ....Innocent ....................elizabeth

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Ahh.. ;-).. 

After I have led the pap..

1 - yep. still standing. It will take more then that to knock me down... lol.

2 - no drugs (even over the counter) for me and I've never been to a chiro in my life (hate doctors).

3 - dunno.. easier to find their small dog maybe? ;-).. as I don't need to do that either.. I have great eyesight, ;-00..

Conclusion: Russian people are weird, aren't they?

Jokes aside.. skill guys skill..

P.S.: Did you guys notice the background picture in the top left corner of the Agility Dynamite! site banner? That's me tugging with Luz dog.. Take a closer look, ;-)..

Olga.
valeryt's picture

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Hi Olga,

I took a closer look at the picture. Russians are weird! :) I had all the same questions as Elizabeth. She just beat me to it. 

Val 

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haha is not going to doctors a Russian thing? When I get injured my dad just waves it off...haha it took awhile for my mom to finally convince my dad that I should go to the doctor for my knee injury...haha. Russians are weird ;)

~Helen and Helen's Dream Come True "Wrinkles" OAC, NJC, OCC, TN-N, CGC

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I have made the tab! I only have to bend half-way to the ground. Oh joy! I better do my core exercises so I don't get a sore back.

Val 

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Alright, Val! You're my hero! ;-).. See, it's not that bad..

Now, the better you train, the less back ache you get.. ;-)..

Keep me updated on Jaldi's progress with the poles.

Olga.
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3-30-07 We have tried around-the-clock using the tab a couple of times. I'm breaking it down to working separately on the left side and right side so we don't do too many reps. Jaldi's doing okay, but I keep releasing the tab when she is not focused on the entry. Sometimes I think she is, but then she runs past the poles. I will try to video this.

Val 

Olga Chaiko's picture

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Val,

It is actually a very good thing that you are "catching" yourself releasing the tab when Jaldi is not yet focused on the entry. You now see that your observational skills are improving and your mechanical skills (releasing the tab) need to catch up.

Please keep working on the exercise and you will learn to release the tab just so.. and that would signify the development of your skill to support the dog's entry with or without the tab.

Olga.
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4-16-07 Worked some around-the-clock weave entries. I've been a little lax on this so we are still working fairly close (about 2ft). We are making some progress and Jaldi can do from about 4-8 o'clock from either side. I've gotten better about not releasing the tab until she is committed to the correct entry. -Val
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5-5-07 I've been working the entries with just 2 poles off and on (was out-of-town for a week so Jaldi had a vacation). We're still working close (~2ft), but now she is getting the entry almost every time from every angle. I keep trying to figure out a good way to get her to go forward instead of curling around the first pole back to me. She does not seem too interested in the toys I've tried. The new toy (mouse in the ball) was too distracting. This morning I left my bait bag open on the ground with just one treat in it. That seemed the best so far. I have to be really careful though that she gets it right and doesn't self-reward without doing the entry. I would prefer something I can throw since the bait or toy already sitting out there is a lure.

Val 

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5-13-07  We're working from about 3ft away now with just 2 poles and still getting good success from 3 o'clock to 9 o'clock. How far back should I work before adding more poles? I think she understands which side to enter on, but when faced with a full set of poles, she does not understand how to find the beginning. I don't think she sees the big picture. -Val
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6-4-07  I took Jaldi to an AKC trial over the weekend. She did pretty good weavepoles, but we had to restart at least once whenever the poles were on her left side. I just don't think she has figured out how to find the beginning from that side. When the poles were on her right, she went around to enter from the correct side and found the entry.

Val 

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6-6-07  Last night I decided to use 3 poles to train entries. As I suspected Jaldi thinks that when the poles are on her left, any 2 poles will do. Out of a total of 6 reps (all with the weave poles on the left), she tried to go between pole 2&3 once. That was on the 2nd rep. After that I was better about holding her back until she was focused on the correct entry. One time she entered correctly between 1&2, but then tried to head straight for the reward without noodling through 2&3.

Val 

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612-07 We are continuing to use 3 poles. This morning I got Jaldi to play with the yellow ball that she recently took an interest in. I have switched to using a leash (instead of the tab) so we can get more distance to the poles. We worked at about 3-4 ft away this morning. She did well and only one time tried to enter between pole 2 and 3 which I successfully kept her from doing. And she did all 3 poles each time. Last night I had trouble getting her to make the noodle back between pole 2&3. She'd stick her head through and I'd click, then she'd pull back and go for the reward.

I'm also having a little trouble with the leash getting wrapped around the poles and holding her back. She's starting to slow down or stop as she goes through them which isn't good. I'm using a leather leash. Maybe nylon would be more slippery.

Val 

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Wow Val, you sure are persistant.  Jello...I mean Jaldi will have the best weaves in the country when you are done!  Good job working through this!  Bet it's hot over there....I miss AZ but NOT the heat.  ffluffy
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Hi Ffluffy,

It's only 100 here (at noon). And of course, it's a dry heat. Haha! All of our practices have been moved to 5am. I just hope my neighbors don't start complaining about Jaldi's barking. If you watch her videos, you can hear that she has a lot to say, but not as much as Duke did.

Val 

PS. There is a video posted of Jaldi doing weave entries with 3 poles. 

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6-21-07  We went to a fun run on Tues night. The weave pole entry was with the poles on the dog's left. Well, Jaldi missed it every time and seemed to think that she could just pick any two poles that suited her and start weaving. The previous obstacle was the table so there wasn't a lot of speed involved. I guess I still have LOTS of work to do.

On a side note, today is the first day of summer. It's coming in like a lion. It's 106 degrees at 4:20 pm. Does that mean it will go out like a lamb or does that only apply to the month of March?

Val 

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6-29-07  I've been trying a new tactic and it seems to be working. I gave up on the leash, the toy, and trying to manage the entries myself and decided to just let Jaldi figure it out. I set her food bowls at either end of a set of 6 weaves and sent her from different angles. I clicked the entry and then put a spoonful of food in her bowl. We've done this 3 times now and her entries are getting better and better including the onside entries which she was having so much trouble with. She has missed the entry about 1 time during each training session. No click and no food (we are doing this for breakfast). This morning she was able to get the onside entry from a 180 degree turn off a jump that was about even with the last weave pole. So she had to go to the far end of the poles to find the entry. I will try to video this tomorrow.

Val 

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7-21-07  We're doing the around the clock now with a jump before the weave poles and using just a set of 6 poles. I'm also doing a recall, send, and run with for about 7 or 8 reps. Jaldi's enthusiasm is very good even for this many reps. She is working for food and I think she maintains her concentration better for the food. I'm using a bowl or target plate at the end so she has something to focus on. I uploaded a video of this where she is working at the 7 o'clock position.

Val 

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I haven't updated this for quite a while. We're now working at the 3 o'clock and 9 o'clock positions. It took about 4 sessions for her to get the entry consistently when the poles were on her left. Especially when I did the recall. And I haven't worked on it for at least a week. I changed my work schedule and we can't practice in the morning anymore and it's still too blazing hot to work in the afternoon. We are entered in a NADAC trial Labor Day weekend. We'll see how she does with weavers.

Val 

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Good luck at the NADAC trial this weekend! Hope you get a video of your runs and post it.

Olga.
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I haven't been working weaves very much recently :(  When we do work them, I've concentrated mostly on that 90 degree entry from the 3 o'clock position. Jaldi is doing better and sometimes gets it. I still have to help her a good bit. I would like for her to be able to do it independent of me. I guess that will come and would come faster if I would get back to working on it several times a week instead of just a couple of times a month.
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Yes, Val. Isn't is the truth, ;-)..

And though it is not a bad idea to give your weave poles' training a rest once in a while, you should keep to a much more regular schedule. Independent weave poles entries are a must nowadays and Jaldi has all the works to learn to do it.

Please keep working on it and take your time for the skill to form and solidify.

Olga. 

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I have been working at home on upping the distraction level when we train weave poles. Jaldi is getting really good at ignoring strange noises other dogs/handlers walking and running past her. Handlers feeding their dogs near the poles, etc. So last night we went to our club practice and worked just a small segment of the JWW course that had the weave poles in it. I started with just 2 people out on the course, but not too near the weaves. Well, that was a little too much as Jaldi could not even see the poles, but we worked through it and when she finally found the poles, she did them just fine.

We got 3 turns on the course and she improved each time. The second time she found the poles with no problem. She also got the entry every time. She had a little trouble staying in the poles, but by the time we had our last turn on the course she was weaving really fast and ignoring all the distractions.

I noticed that when I train weave poles as part of a sequence, I tend to let Jaldi go ahead of me to find the poles. I must remember that in the trial!

Val

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Yes, Val, please remember to let Jaldi go ahead and find her weavepoles.. works every time.. ;-)..

As far as adding "distractions" .. sounds like Jaldi did well. However, I would first let the dog be successful and do the weavepole sequence WITHOUT added difficulties of any kind.. reward that.. and only then attempt to present her with a person on the course or any other such  strange thing..

Olga.

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Last night we went to our club practice again. There was a nice set up to work weave pole entries. We tried it about 3 or 4 times before Jaldi found the poles. I made a diagram of the course below. I don't have CRCD on this computer so there are no grid lines. We did the opening without extra distractions to start with and I did a cross behind at the weaves. Once she knew where the poles were we added a couple of people and dogs wandering around near the poles for distraction and worked through that. Jaldi did a great job! Plus she was a speed demon! That is the dog I want every time. She really flew from 7-10 and was way ahead. Yikes! I had to changed my handling plan on the fly to accomodate all that speed. I layered 14 in order to get the turn to 11. I was so concentrating on keeping up that I totally forgot to throw my toy. We had a lot of fun! I also did another sequence to the weaves which was either 11, 12, weave or 14, 13, weave, but now I can't remember which. Jaldi was really wired last night. I think it was the result of being left home alone all day after a 3-day weekend. Lots of pent up energy!

ValJWW course

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We went to our club practice this week at the park. Jaldi's weavepole performance is improving tremendously at this location. First off, she found the weave poles the first time I sent her to them. Secondly, it was a difficult 90 degree entry. On our third turn through the course, I had someone stand near the poles and feed their dog as a distraction. She missed the poles the first time with this distraction, but then was able to do them the second time I sent her and ignore the distraction.

Val 

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Dream Weaver

I bought an italian charm for my bracelet Sat morning at the NADAC trial we went to. It says Dream Weaver on it. Jaldi did 7 perfect sets of weaves this weekend. Dumb handler stayed out of her way finally. 

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Way to go, Val and Jaldi!

Practice makes perfect, ;-)..

Olga.Â